The Movement

Journeypedia

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Gina LoBuglio
Gina LoBuglio | Mar 4, 2016 | in Rate These Concepts

Our new mobile information service takes the tedium out of travel. When you're driving or on a train, wouldn't it be great to know more about interesting buildings. local history or up-to-date travel information? Sign up to Journeypedia and have your radio or app keep you constantly updated. Make every journey a learning experience for adults and children alike! 

joanna butler-savage Mar 4, 2016

this would be great on a driving holiday as i am sure it would be easy to miss great places to see - a mobile tourist information office sounds good to me - there have been places we have visited or tried to visit and really struggle to find.

Nicky Griffiths Mar 4, 2016

As long as it's not too distracting for the driver!

Janet Bradley Mar 5, 2016

I have been thinking about that... I have seen accidents in areas of beauty due to distraction, it's a bit different to just listening to the radio... this kind of idea does encourage people to take their eye off the road.

joanna butler-savage Mar 6, 2016

i think it would be better off for drivers being based on stopping suggestions rather than a constant chatting companion

Janet Bradley Mar 7, 2016

I wonder if it was based on stopping suggestions that all the same car parks would become full! :-)

joanna butler-savage Mar 10, 2016

talking about car parks what about an app that helped you find car parking that had spaces? we have driven around some new places forever

Janet Bradley Mar 11, 2016

The app could include parking spaces....the way that this is evolving...the app could be making all our decisions for us.

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Janet Bradley Mar 4, 2016

I like this idea... how would the radio be connected to this information? will it use data feed from the phone, or via some sort of gps? If it is phone data, what happens if you are out of mobile signal? Or there is little signal in the area - often areas of outstanding beauty where you may want more information, may have no access to a mobile signal.

Nicky Griffiths Mar 5, 2016

Would be great on a train journey as I spend most of my time looking out of the window. I think even as a passenger in a car you seem to spend a lot of time watching the road ahead.

joanna butler-savage Mar 6, 2016

the motorways are the worst because it all looks the same - i would appreciate an app that tells you where to pull off to find places of interest or even a decent venue for lunch to break up a long journey

Nicky Griffiths Mar 7, 2016

Yes, motorway services are pretty awful but you often don't know how quick or easy it would be to get to somewhere better just off the motorway.

Janet Bradley Mar 9, 2016

I wonder though if that would cause such decent venues to become over used... and they could lose their charm... sometimes the joy is finding these hidden venues and calling them your own!

joanna butler-savage Mar 9, 2016

thats rare unfortunately though - for me its all about the savings on experiences

Janet Bradley Mar 10, 2016

If an app encouraged going to particular places just off the motorway, then there could be many wanting to visit the same place....for me that could have a knock on effect on both savings and experience.

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Gill Chedgey Mar 5, 2016

Just wondering whether the brown information signs indicating places of interest could be rigged up with some kind of sensor that triggers an in-car device which then opens up additional and extended information to complement the sign.

joanna butler-savage Mar 5, 2016

the brown signs tend to miss places out that i would like - not everyone likes the same type of attraction/scenery so perhaps these could be geared up for different tours. for example there could be a historic site app or a places of beauty app to highlight those places the user would find of the most interest personally. it could do with translating signs along the way when on holiday as well!

Gill Chedgey Mar 6, 2016

Yes, the app could be menu driven where the user selects the genres they are interested in.

joanna butler-savage Mar 6, 2016

i like the idea of a great restaurant app that points out highly rated eateries in the area - we often struggle to find somewhere more authentic

Julian Starkey Mar 7, 2016

if the right technology was available it might be possible to find out what places are actually interesting and what wasn't. i.e. the number of queries about Fort Dunlop on the M6, vs the Manchester ship canal.

joanna butler-savage Mar 9, 2016

there could be a feedback trip advisor type review

Janet Bradley Mar 10, 2016

Possibly difficult to define as to what is interesting.. one of the best places I have ever visited was the Paris sewers... but for some reason, when I have suggested it to other people, they don't seem so keen!

Julian Starkey Mar 10, 2016

me too, it was difficult to even know it was a tour before i went but walked or drove past and though that sounds interesting, took a bunch of people the next time i was there, very interesting and not all smelly and nasty.

Janet Bradley Mar 10, 2016

Its a bit of a demonstration of pre-conceived ideas.... it wasn't smelly or nasty, and it was really interesting.

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Mary O'Connor Mar 5, 2016

This I would really like. Oftentimes I wonder what buildings and sight we are passing along the way.

joanna butler-savage Mar 5, 2016

it would also save a fortune in a city centre on the tour buses we all get sucked into taking! i know the advantage of these is also to hop on and off but i always like to have an overview of a new place before deciding where to spend the most time.

Julian Starkey Mar 7, 2016

those tour buses don't go everywhere either.

Janet Bradley Mar 6, 2016

That's because you are a great holiday maker... it's funny, I have found people can be so unconnected to their surroundings that they have no idea of the area where they live or work..

joanna butler-savage Mar 6, 2016

i see a real market for this particularly for tourists

Nicky Griffiths Mar 7, 2016

I think people become sort of complacent about the area in which they live - they are near a certain attraction but never go there whereas if they visited the area on holiday they would. I know I'm guilty of this!

Gill Chedgey Mar 7, 2016

You tend to take for granted where you actually live. It becomes so familiar that you look at things but don't see them. We can have sights in our own locale that we might oh and aah over where we on holiday elsewhere!

joanna butler-savage Mar 7, 2016

i recently discovered a toy museum in the town i grew up in because my children were going on a school trip there!

Janet Bradley Mar 7, 2016

that is true... we rarely visit the places near us... I made an effort of visitng all the places round where I worked in my lunch break which were for tourists... it was really great, and I learned so much!

joanna butler-savage Mar 7, 2016

i recently started going round the museums in leeds and really enjoyed myself - taking the kids next holiday to a couple

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Jade Hewlett Mar 6, 2016

This would be really good on trains and planes if possible as you could learn so much from just travelling past. I would worry about it becoming distracting in a car if the driver was trying to look out for what has just been described but it would be interesting for the passengers. It would be good if there were different themed information so that if you travel the same journeys each day they could be different. Maybe there could be a tourist theme, history theme, animal and bird watching theme, music theme, tv or film theme (could be specific to certain programmes if you are in the right area like where they have filmed scenes of a programme.) It could even work for walking or cycling if you just wanted to learn about the area without having a destination in mind. Could be an alternative to a tour bus without the time restraints whilst still getting you from A to B on any transport and making the journey more fun and an experience rather than a boring daily journey.

joanna butler-savage Mar 6, 2016

there are certain journeys this would really lend itself to particularly when travelling through places that are more remote

Fiona Boubert Mar 8, 2016

The flights are an interesting idea, Jac Knight made a good point about security but I am sure they restrict content. You could not include everything you fly over anyway as it would have to run at high speed to cope with the volume of data! I remember the first time I flew in a plane that had monitors showing the direction of travel. I watched it obsessively worried that we might take an unexpected detour!

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Julian Starkey Mar 7, 2016

I like this a lot, takes the boredom out of some journeys, helps you learn, I've seen too many interesting places and never been able to remember where they were to find out more. you could have filters to opt in for music trivia or opt out of football trivia.

Jaclyn Knight Mar 7, 2016

This would be great to apply to flight travel as well - especially if you could connect something to the in flight system that then shows 3D of Google Earth views of what you're flying over...understand there could be potential security issues in mapping that information though

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

Something like this may already be available - have a look at this and see what you think?
http://www.citylab.com/navigator/2016/03/the-...ource=SFTwitter

Katie100 Mar 31, 2016

Hi Peter - that really great - and your other comments too - shame we are near the end of this project now! thanks for some inspiring app info.

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

Hi Katie - oh no...! Is anything planned to happen with these ideas next? I was working around to pointing you all towards https://www.aliss.org/ which is a bit of open-source tech where we've been working on quite a few of the issues that participants have been touching on in the comments, for some while. The original domain hasbeen 'useful community resources for people with long-term conditions', sure, but it doesn't take very much transposition to be relevant for travel/mobility, I think.
Oh and btw, I'm not selling anything :-) at least 'not as we know it Jim' :-))
If there's only space for one more point, may I urge thinking in terms of an 'eco-system', rather than an 'app' - (identification...description...further description...rating...curation...publication are all aspects of the challenge that are (better) worth thinking about as small pieces loosely-joined, than in an app (silo)...

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Fiona Boubert Mar 7, 2016

I love this idea it is simple but so useful. I am sure many of us have googled local places of interest or things we have passed when travelling but it would be great if an app intuitively told you as you neared that point in your journey. I could see this being spoken when you are driving but more visual if you are using public transport or walking. It makes sense to have the travel information on there too.

It would have great entertainment and educational value for both young and old with your own on board travel guide. It could help you to make impromptu visits to places of interest when you are on holiday or on day trips. Perhaps it could have a quiz option too where it gives you clues about places coming up and you have to guess. If this involved user input to the app, correct entries could be entered to prize draws to win tickets to signed up attractions.

Nicky Griffiths Mar 8, 2016

Tickets would be good as it's so expensive to get into any attraction nowadays!

Fiona Boubert Mar 8, 2016

I think this app could be a good way of attracting people to visit places so they could give something back by giving away some freebies and people always like the chance of winning free tickets.

joanna butler-savage Mar 9, 2016

i think that sounds great - pop up discount entry codes or restaurant vouchers as you pass

Gina LoBuglio Mar 10, 2016

Hi Ironmaiden, I visited my son in Leicester this past weekend (where he is going to uni) and did a quick Google search for top places to eat locally. I was only in town for just over a day but in the future, would love to know of historical sites and galleries that I could visit. Was also wondering where the local cinema was though I didn't have time to take him to a film in the end. If I had an app that prompted me suggestions (for food, entertainment and local sites) based on my locale, I would find that a huge time saver.

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Janet Bradley Mar 10, 2016

Would be good if the app included access to the cinema or theatre box office or restaurant booking.

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

...and you don't actually have to be anywhere near the actual location IRL! I remember hearing a few years back of a Women's health-walking group based in Glasgow, where they actually walked short distances around a gym (I think it was a gym). Yet via their pedometers, they were - as it were - tackling a route from Glasgow to Istanbul (I think it was), learning all about interesting places and cultures along the way. Later on I saw this app-ified as 'World Walking' - do have a look here at some of the routes that users have walked/are walking! https://worldwalking.org/routes

Janet Bradley Apr 1, 2016

I like that... very interesting... you would have had a lot to contribute to the development part of this concept.

peter ashe Apr 1, 2016

I do regret not seeing all this earlier. When does all this finish - and what happens next?

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Smith33 Mar 11, 2016

Could it include Tripadvisor reviews - so when you are driving around and want to find somewhere to eat it can recommend places to go?

Fiona Boubert Mar 11, 2016

Trip Advisor Offline City Apps include self guided tours and interactive maps which show tourist attractions. You could test the Journeypedia concept by using the interactive map and self guided tour. I then looked at how I could test the local history information and thought I could use Edinburgh World History App. The app features four city tours with maps, photos and a game to play as you explore. You can add comments and photos of your own, and send a postcard to a friend. There are also audio clips, which will help bring the buildings to life with insights into past residents and events.
http://www.ewht.org.uk/visit/edinburgh---world-heritage-city-app
I also came across this: Stenlake Publishing of Ayrshire are collaborating with Internet giant Google on the latter's "Field Trip" app for smartphones. The app can be downloaded for free and can be set for an interest in history. When the user physically approaches a site or place for which there is a "card" on the app, the global positioning system alerts the phone. The app also offers offers some historical background and photos allowing simple "then and now" comparisons.
https://www.slhf.org/news/google-local-history-app-smartphones
I could not find this app as being available as yet but it sounded a bit like Journeypedia.

Katie100 Mar 15, 2016

good info - thank you

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

if anyone else is thinking about trying out existing apps, then another one I came across recently is Likeways. The summary suggests it's intended as "an ode to the side street" and “the aim of the app is not just to guide you from one venue to the next,...but to support a sense of urban exploration.” Maybe have a go and see what you think? Via here: http://www.citylab.com/navigator/2016/02/this...ource=SFTwitter

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Janet Bradley Mar 12, 2016

There are a few places that I know really well - for example I used to take people on a walking tour of the City of London....I wonder what you would base your information on....whatever you chose, I would be willing to test that information for accuracy, or for interest. If I didn't know the place, I would be willing for you to send me information and let you know if I found that information interesting or not....would it add value to my journey or not.

Fiona Boubert Mar 13, 2016

You could rate the information as well as giving feedback which would allow them to improve the accuracy of information and it would let others users know how good it was.

Janet Bradley Mar 14, 2016

Yes I think that rating the info would make it easier for people to participate in

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

re rating & stuff, an interesting working example - focused on a particular interest in particular category of locations, can be found here: http://feed-finder.co.uk/ - I particularly liked the way it was designed to be do-able with one hand (obvious as soon as you think about it...).
And there's some very relevant infrastructure involved too (both social and tech) which you can find out a bit about here: https://app-movement.com/
And you can browse for other location-interest groups too - apparently the one for 'Good places to fly your drone' has taken off well (ho hum)....

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Janet Bradley Mar 12, 2016

As I live in an area of outstanding natural beauty, but also very poor mobile signal...would be willing to see what the mobile signal was like at the actual points of interest.

Fiona Boubert Mar 13, 2016

That's a really good point.

Janet Bradley Mar 12, 2016

When I drive round where I live, I am surrounded by hills and mountains....I would love if I had a SatNav like device in front of me, naming the hills....I know it's a little thing, but it would add value to even a local journey.

Gill Chedgey Mar 12, 2016

If I was testing this app when I pass something on a journey where I think 'I wonder what that is?' I'd like the app to provide that information. I would like to be in control of the app rather than be bombarded with alerts throughout the journey.

Nicky Griffiths Mar 12, 2016

That's a good point, it could get annoying if you were told every little thing - probably obvious things or that you already knew.

Fiona Boubert Mar 13, 2016

Maybe it could have different settings to suit users needs. You could have a setting where you could request information at locations or a constant alert feed.

Gill Chedgey Mar 14, 2016

Also, it wouldn't be so great for a regular commute as you'd be getting the same information each day!!

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Fiona Boubert Mar 14, 2016

I would fInd Journeypedia really useful on my train journey to Birmingham tomorrow. The train goes through part of the country that I have not actually visited so it would be good to find out more about those places and it might tempt me to visit them in future. I will also be travelling with three colleagues tomorrow so it would be good if it had a quiz option or guess what's coming up next with clues as I suggested in my previous comment. It would keep us amused on the journey and stop us talking about business all the time, we are entitled to breaks after all!

Janet Bradley Mar 14, 2016

I used to travel for work, and hated talking about work during the journey. Used to make the day so incredibly long.

Julian Starkey Mar 14, 2016

To build a prototype I would go to google earth to see who has posted pictures along my route, this might highlight points of interest together with a degree of popularity, I would try and harvest the data, it might be possible to use the geotag to search Wikipedia for articles on places, or www to get broader information from other metadata. I know that the Serpentine Athletic club has several recommended runs round London with landmarks described that would be a source of presentation or narrative option. Books such as just off the motorway may allow a motorway prototype to be built, there are also lots of railway and local history books that could provide information of interest. Added to Ginas idea that would be a start.

Gina LoBuglio Mar 15, 2016

Thanks, Julian, that's an excellent suggestion! As Ironmaiden mentioned above, I would definitely use Journeypedia if it existed already. A colleague of mine (who is also from another country) and I are trying to get out of London one Saturday a month (we've only managed one so far) and I know that we would be using this along the way.

peter ashe Mar 31, 2016

one other link to point to - a project where researchers linked images, with tags, and then with sounds (may have been archetypal sounds), to create navigable urban soundscapes: http://www.citylab.com/tech/2016/03/these-col...ource=SFTwitter

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Katie100 Mar 15, 2016

Hi Again All, lovely holiday, but great to be back too - and I'm now catching up with all your comments on these concepts. There are some super-good builds and ideas developing here. The concept does not specifically mention it, but I was rather assuming that this is a database built by interested people (like Wikipedia). My Dad is a geologist who taught civil engineering students - so I think he could (for example) add loads of geological data about what you are looking at in Motorway cuttings and so on, and about bridge construction and tunnels - I'd find that stuff interesting when travelling. Others may be more interested in where poets live, or what those trees are, or where Cheryl Fernandes-Versini grew up, or what locals think is the best fish and chip shop ever... **Question**: Where do you all stand on the idea that it's made by local knowledge? or would you prefer researched knowledge only? (or both) and I'm also assuming lots of different tags/filters so the users are only told about stuff they have expressed a preference for - or random stuff if that's what they want. Or Stuff for kids - that sort of thing.

Nicky Griffiths Mar 15, 2016

Welcome back Katie, glad you had a good holiday. I hadn't thought about things relating to celebrities, so most of that would have to be filtered out for me! The chip shop thing would be good if you were stopping for a meal in the area, otherwise would be insignificant unless you wanted to save the knowledge for future visits. I too would be interested in the geological and geographical side of things, plus nature and historical buildings etc. I think this would have to be based on a combination of local and researched knowledge, presumably the local knowledge would have to be researched to confirm it.

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Katie100 Mar 15, 2016

Thanks!

Mary O'Connor Mar 15, 2016

Glad that you had a good holiday. Regarding the ideas, I think that there should be some sort of choice as to what kind of information on the area you would like. There would need to be different topics to choose from. Some people might like to hear what shops are around, other people may want to hear about the history of the sights, other people may want to hear about geography of the area. This may depend on age groups too, and may also need to be differentiated to different groups of people. Maybe beginner, intermediate and advanced.

Janet Bradley Mar 15, 2016

I do think knowledge needs to be both researched and local.... but all of it would need to be vetted.... once you have a local input... you can get all sorts of info uploaded, and some of it would not be appropriate for children - so someone would need to sit in judgement about how to classify each piece of information is loaded.... so in some ways, its easier to take recognised information, such as from wikipedia!

Nice to have you back.. hope you had a good couple of weeks! :-)

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joanna butler-savage Mar 15, 2016

i would be interested in areas of natural beauty and child friendly experiences - i have no preference whether that information is sourced locally or more generally

peter ashe Apr 1, 2016

well some people still haven't yet reached the stage of seeing all of Wikipedia as researched and good-quality info! :-)
Srsly though, a lot of this stuff about accuracy, veracity etc. is in the eye of the beholder.
Also, vetting everything generates a substantial admin overhead - how would that impact on the business model? It's possible to distribute the effort somewhat, by encouraging interested parties to create their own collections within the whole data-set, which they then offer to 'their punters' via filtered searches.
Meanwhile, it's possible to set up a 'fall-back mechanism' whereby if a viewer has an issue with an item, they can flag it; this alerts the original contributor (plus 'HQ') and the contributor then either edits or defends what they put originally. Meantime the item is suspended from appearing in any searches. Only when the original contributor responds, is the 'suspend' flag un-set.
That's the gist, anyway :-)

Jade Hewlett Mar 16, 2016

I think I would prefer it to be local and researched knowledge. If it was all locals that added knowledge I think it should be moderated before its added as anyone could add anything and it may not even be true. For that reason I would feel it could be better if it was researched knowledge but if locals could send suggestions of knowledge they know and it can then be researched for quality and truth before its added to the database. For the information I think filters are good as I'd want knowledge in different categories, if there were no filters Id probably be put off using the app by seeing all the information I am not interested in. It would be nice to have a completely different or new app for the children so you are reassured that the information child friendly, relevant and interesting to them

Katie100 Mar 16, 2016

That's an interesting build - a completely different app for children - thanks.

Fiona Boubert Mar 17, 2016

Love your idea of having a separate app for children, many have their own child friendly tablets now.

Gill Chedgey Mar 16, 2016

An app like this needs to cater for a variety of needs, ages and intellects. So I see it as a menu driven, customisable app.

Neil Kennedy Mar 20, 2016

It all sounds like information overload to me Katie. I am happy searching wikipedia.

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Fiona Boubert Mar 15, 2016

Welcome back Katie, I hope your travels went as planned. I think the content would have to be built from research/expert and local knowledge. People's perception and expectations can vary greatly so you need a blended approach to information building to strengthen the database and give it wider validation. This could include continual user validation in the form of feedback on the usefulness and accuracy of the information. Moderation to ensure content complied with standards and an escalation process for content that may immediately need to be removed. It would be great if information could be filtered to preferences . I would particularly want to know about music references such as venues, famous gigs and upcoming major events in the area.

Julian Starkey Mar 16, 2016

http://www.serpentine.org.uk/pages/run_routes...ex.html#descrip follow the link, go to the bottom of this page where there is a rich description of what interests there are around the route. this could be integrated into a phone with geo tagging and voice, if in a car there could be more pictures.

Fiona Boubert Mar 16, 2016

Really interesting this could be developed around many areas of interest

peter ashe Apr 1, 2016

Any place/location is likely to be interesting from more than one perspective. If it's findable digitally in the first place, then its original finder can tag it in terms that make sense to them, then when other people come along and see different things in it, they could add tags that expand its interest (and findability) so the location could pop up in different searches. But the trick would be in avoiding siloing the original data in interest-specific apps.

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Neil Kennedy Mar 20, 2016

There could be a bit of a danger of information overload on this app. I am a fan of wikipedia but I like to be in control of the information I receive e.g I look for it. I would be wary of allowing this app to constantly stream information to you. I would want to set preferences. I would test it by sitting on a train to work and using google maps to find places of interest in the areas I was passing